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UKVIKING
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Sad Git Reply with quote

I must be a sad git.

I seem to answer every post here - regardless how silly or serious

I guess it is just to see my name

or

is it because I like helping people... even if they are being grade 1 idiots or grade 2 lazy b'tards
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad Git,

To my mind you are either less busy than everyone else, or a hugely dilligent person.

Also I'm not sure if you're having a moan about other people not responding but for me I've mostly stopped trying to answer the ones that can be answered with the 'it depends' resonse. Now and again I get a slight rush of inspiration but when there are questions about password resets and how many people there should be on the service desk I'd rather do some some real work (and that's desperate!).

Unless there's more interesting topics debated then the forum will lose interest. If it continues to just be mainly inexperienced questions then it's hard to get excited and repsond. In fact that's why I was keen to moan about the rain the other day.

My personal beef is that no one here takes v3 seriously (and I'm not saying I do!) - that, at least ,is where there is room for more stimulating discussion. Is it useable or realistic? How would you go about implementing it etc. But no, let's talk about password resets again. And you don't need ITIL for that...

UJ
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Oh dear! Reply with quote

Guys,

I am relatively new to the the forum and I think within a week or so, I will have read every post here... Embarassed

I think the forum is great and have already learnt new ideas and views from people but to be honest I can see your lack of motivation!

I guess the forum does not create enough awareness to be hustling and bustling with questions and challenges!

Hotukdeals is what everyone seems to be talking about and the forums are pretty good! Remotely like this forum, it has nothing to do with ITIL! lol. Sorry, not plugging but just trying to help you prevent doing any real work!!! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am moaning about the fact that i am moaning about the fact

... endless loop ...

I also notice that the # of really really stupid questions can ceased or dropped to a low level

It is because we as a group has ridiculed the stupid questions by pushing them to the sixth book of V3

or is it because I would rip into them like a hungry cat does to fish

I found that there is another ITIL forum... but i have not look


the itsmf forum is also dead quiet


...........................

i note that when new people join they fall into 2 types

clueless about ITIL and their posts show that.. 1 or 2 posts and then they leave
understanding ITIL and more intelligent posts and they stay

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I like this forum, and I like the posts. If you're a change manager like me, chances are you are working in a team of 1, and I've found the forum a good place to bounce ideas around, and if I feel I can contribute then I will.
But if someone doesn't bother to a)do some basic research or b) think about what it is they want to know or talk about, then they deserve to be flamed at the very least.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DYbeach wrote:
But if someone doesn't bother to a)do some basic research or b) think about what it is they want to know or talk about, then they deserve to be flamed at the very least.


Sadly not everyone thinks the same. Some (if not many) had even fiercely counter the flame Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try not to flame.. but 'to mangle an aussie phrase'

put the poor sod on the barbie....

lightly grilled of course

Some people who get grilled leave and never come back

some stick it out, learn and contribute

some just dont learn.

That is why there is the 6th book of V3
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DYBeach,

Yeah, good point about those of us without teams. Change Managers have that awkward balance of trying to cajoling everyone along in the right direction, but being a bit of a bastard when necessary too.

So in some respects your efforts to build good relationships can be undone rapidly and then you have to start again. Good Change Managers who understand this and can handle it are gold dust.

It's the weekend, oh yes!

UJ
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: Sad Git Reply with quote

UKVIKING wrote:
I seem to answer every post here - regardless how silly or serious

Well, I've answered 0 posts in the past several months. But even when I have been active, I've had no patience with the exam questions, the certification programme questions etc. Your patience is exemplary. Very Happy

UrgentJensen wrote:
Unless there's more interesting topics debated then the forum will lose interest. If it continues to just be mainly inexperienced questions then it's hard to get excited and repsond.

I'm also here for the more interesting topics.

If things get boring we can always reopen the eternal "Process vs Procedure" thread. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nooooo!

I would rather re-open the Reboot is change or Not thread

JoePearson.. look at the Sixth book thread

We need more topics
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather open the chipmonks or spaniels debate. This is raging across IT at the moment and heard that a group of militant chipmonks recently downed toods at the introduction of a canine Incident Manager....

Has anyone worked anywhere where most ITIL processes are functioning to a relatively mature level?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classroom setting during my manager's course
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UrgentJensen wrote:
I'd rather open the chipmonks or spaniels debate. This is raging across IT at the moment and heard that a group of militant chipmonks recently downed toods at the introduction of a canine Incident Manager....


What were they doing with the toads in the first place?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoePearson wrote:
UrgentJensen wrote:
I'd rather open the chipmonks or spaniels debate. This is raging across IT at the moment and heard that a group of militant chipmonks recently downed toods at the introduction of a canine Incident Manager....


What were they doing with the toads in the first place?


That a toothsome thought?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought i would put my 2p's worth in here...

I come on this forum as a relatively in-experienced ITILer looking towards people i see as hugely experienced in the ITIL world.

I ahve had training between 3 and 5 years ago, and as my company is so divorced from the ITIL world, i lose alot of the knowledge i picked up from the courses. I do not have the luxury of having all the books to hand, neither the time to search through a breeze block book to find something that skirts around my question and doesnt really answer it following the "ITIL is not prescriptive" line.

When i come on here, i may ask what seems to be a stupid question to you guys, but to me its something i may never have experienced in the past, may have been taught about in a 3 day course some 5 years ago or something i have become confused with because of my companies insistance on doing it "their way" rather than ITILs.

I dont expect to be flamed for anything. you wonder why these forums are quiet? Thats exactly it. Look at any busy forum, they are created to provide friendly advice to not so experienced people, from the supposed guru's of the subject.

I understand it may be frustrating to re-answer old questions but if you guys want this to be busy...then you have to learn to suffer fools better Smile

Not having a go at anyone here, as i have never experienced flaming myself. I understand both sides of the argument, it just depends what you want this forum to be really chaps
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