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Ormondo
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:32 am    Post subject: 3rd party process flow needed Reply with quote

Hi there,

I was wondering if any has a process flow diagram covering 3rd parties in relation to incident management.

I just need somewhere to start and then fit into a model for my company.

Can anyone help please?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: What are you looking for? Reply with quote

If you're looking for the way an Incident should be transferred between an external and an internal support group, then it should be easy to design. The flow should not be very complicated. If you have access to the ITIL Service Support book (the blue book) there's an excellent diagram that should help. If you don't, send me a PM and I'll copy it for you.

Keep in mind that if you have a relationship with an external contractor, SLAs (which would normally be OLAs if the support groups were internal) should be in place. These SLAs should detail how the relationship will be governed, response times, etc.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(errrrr... jpomales - I don't want to be a stick in the mud - but remember that it is illegal to copy and distribute material from the text books.. it's a breach of the OGC Copyright on the material)...

I'd suggest purchasing a copy for your own library.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:21 am    Post subject: C'mon... Reply with quote

Not literally of course. Wink It's not terribly complicated to come up with that workflow!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:18 am    Post subject: Remember.... Reply with quote

Incident management isn't just one process family... it is three. We call them:
Incident - interruption: those are the "I can't" workflows
Incident - event: those are the "We can't" workflows
Incident - request those are the "I want" workflows

keep this in mind as you are building yours, especially with a third party!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Interesting... Reply with quote

Joel, that's an interesting aproach.

But when you call an Event 'We can't' are you saying that this is a massive, unexpected (either or both) systematic (server, device) event/incident??

So giving your approach some thought it could be that, some of those 'We cant's' (Problems) are transformed into 'I can't' Incident.

Or something.

I like your approach.

And your name! Keep it up!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, you are following... an event is a large-scale "interruption"... it can be planned or unplanned. When you think it thru in this manner, it is obvious the workflow is vastly different for events than simple interruptions.

Now, as for "Problems"... think of them as patterns in your incidents... patterns in "interruptions", patterns in "events", and patterns in "requests"...

What do ya think?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: I agree... Reply with quote

I agree with the approach. Although calling it 'patterns' is a bit odd for me. But it's just the name mind you, not your approach. Wink

So basically when you detect patterns in your various Incident types you start Root Cause Analysis on them to prevent them from recurring, right? From that to Change Management and so on...

I like your approach, man.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: BINGO! Reply with quote

Thanks for the compliment, you are spot-on!
now on to making it come to life.

All the best!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:04 am    Post subject: Third Party support groups Reply with quote

Hi Joel,

Take care that third party support groups could be implied for both problems and incidents, in my experiencie what I have found most difficult is to control simultaneously your SLA with your customer and your UC (Underpinning contract) with your third party provider.

Sometimes it is quite difficult to have two different clocks running to control SLAs and UCs,of course it depends a lot on the tool you are using for tracking incidents and problems live cycle.

Good Luck

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:29 am    Post subject: Yeah... Reply with quote

Not to mention any internal OLAs you have in place!
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