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lazzareo2010 Newbie


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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:02 am Post subject: ITIL Experts (certified) - How many are out there? |
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Does anybody know how many certified ITIL Experts there are in the UK & the rest of the world? |
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UKVIKING Senior Itiler

Joined: Sep 16, 2006 Posts: 3590 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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more than 1 less than the total number of itil foundation certificate holder _________________ John Hardesty
ITSM Manager's Certificate (Red Badge)
Change Management is POWER & CONTROL. /....evil laughter |
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Diarmid Senior Itiler

Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 1894 Location: Helensburgh
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I expect the certifying bodies do. _________________ "Method goes far to prevent trouble in business: for it makes the task easy, hinders confusion, saves abundance of time, and instructs those that have business depending, both what to do and what to hope."
William Penn 1644-1718 |
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UKVIKING Senior Itiler

Joined: Sep 16, 2006 Posts: 3590 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Diarmid
Ya know ... I think that you are right in that
but at least I have the range _________________ John Hardesty
ITSM Manager's Certificate (Red Badge)
Change Management is POWER & CONTROL. /....evil laughter |
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LizGallacher Senior Itiler

Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 550 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:40 am Post subject: |
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The latest figures I have cover from October 09 until August 2010. They are the official figures and cover all examination institutes. However it is not clear whether unsuccessful candidates are included!! Anyway the figures for the 2 routes - Managers bridge and MALC are as follows:
MB MALC
370 60 Oct-09
350 65 Nov-09
300 80 Dec-09
230 80 Jan-10
200 90 Feb-10
400 120 Mar-10
300 135 Apr-10
360 125 May-10
330 100 Jun-10
230 150 Jul-10
400 180 Aug-10 Giving totals of
3470 1185 _________________ Liz Gallacher,
ITIL EXPERT
Accredited ITIL and ISO/IEC20000 Trainer and Consultant - Freelance |
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ChrisD Newbie


Joined: Jan 22, 2008 Posts: 18
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Hello Liz,
Thanks for the detailed and concise reply.
(Without wishing to be appear a 'fuddy duddy', it is refreshing to see a sensible and meaningful response in this forum.)
..... Chris |
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UKVIKING Senior Itiler

Joined: Sep 16, 2006 Posts: 3590 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisD
Thanks for the kudos to Liz and the cough cough slight to myself.
I do provide a sensible and meaningful response but not that often _________________ John Hardesty
ITSM Manager's Certificate (Red Badge)
Change Management is POWER & CONTROL. /....evil laughter |
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DaveInSeoul Newbie


Joined: Feb 25, 2011 Posts: 14 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: Number of ITIL Experts |
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The numbers that Liz points out are for those who fall under APG certified accreditors - there are a couple of other EI certified by OGC - namely ISEB and CMSE (usa).
So I'm guessing the numbers are slightly higher.
But this is still a rarified certification - I would be VERY surprised if there were more than 5000 ITIL experts world-wide. |
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UKVIKING Senior Itiler

Joined: Sep 16, 2006 Posts: 3590 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dave in Seoul
There is a world of difference between 5000 people extremely knowledgeable about ITIL B.P. and 5000 people who are ITIL expert
The first group would know what they are talking about and have the experience to show for it as well
The second group would have taken the time to get all the exam certification for ITIL v3 leading to the ITIL Expert certification designation
The ITIL v3 certification of ITIL Expert does not mean the person is knowledgeable and experienced in ITIL B.P, it just means they took the exams.
Some one can spend several months and £$$$$ for all of the courses and the certification yet have no clue about how to implement Service Management using ITIL B.P.
Some people of course can be in both groups and neither groups _________________ John Hardesty
ITSM Manager's Certificate (Red Badge)
Change Management is POWER & CONTROL. /....evil laughter |
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thechosenone69 Senior Itiler

Joined: Jun 06, 2007 Posts: 268
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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U.K,
I call those people headless chickens where they have no freakin clue where they are going unless collecting certificates. Just like people that collect stamps and basketball cards.
Liz,
Thanks for the statistics, that want expected
Regards,
Ali _________________ Ali Makahleh
Configuration Management(Blue Badge),
ITILV2 Service Manager(Red Badge),
ITILV3 Expert(Lilac Badge) Certified.
“If you can't describe what you are doing as a process, you don't know what you're doing." W. Edwards Deming. |
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LizGallacher Senior Itiler

Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 550 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Number of ITIL Experts |
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DaveInSeoul wrote: | The numbers that Liz points out are for those who fall under APG certified accreditors - there are a couple of other EI certified by OGC - namely ISEB and CMSE (usa).
So I'm guessing the numbers are slightly higher.
But this is still a rarified certification - I would be VERY surprised if there were more than 5000 ITIL experts world-wide. |
Just spotted this - I am currently teaching in India.
You are incorrect David, om a number of points. The OGC does not accredit any other EIs. This is done by APMG on behalf of the OGC. APMG is the official accreditor.
The figures I gave are official, and cover ALL EIs - CSME, Loyalist, EXIN, ISEB, APMG(The EI, not the accreditor part) etc, etc.
I am accredited with ISEB, EXIN and CSME, and got the same figures from all of them.
A large number of them will be tutors/Consultants like myself - we HAVE to be ITIL Experts to work. There are some who are Badge collectors , of course. _________________ Liz Gallacher,
ITIL EXPERT
Accredited ITIL and ISO/IEC20000 Trainer and Consultant - Freelance |
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DaveInSeoul Newbie


Joined: Feb 25, 2011 Posts: 14 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: |
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I am well aware of the "badge collector" issue - we have that occuring in my own company.
One of my colleagues and I have spent the last four years trying to actually implement ITIL at our worksite - and I could spend two or three days (and maybe even longer) telling you about the good, bad, and the ugly of trying to bring ITIL into an organization that has big resisters in high places.
Without getting specific, let me just say that we have had more than our share of less than helpful advice from people both internal and external to the company. A great deal of the that advice has come from "badge collectors" - people who have passed the exams, but have never really gone through the hard knocks of dealing with all the organizational change issues (read people issues). Dealing with the resistance to change within the organization has been our biggest issue. A "badge collector" won't necessarily have any answers for those issues.
Having said that, in my company (as in other IT companies in the US at least) getting ITIL Expert certified has benefits for both horizontal and vertical job growth. I know in my company, having acheived ITIL expert status has gotten me some significant visibility.
I think both experience and a certain amount of certification are equally as valuable - unfortunately people who have both (in large quantities) are pretty rare - hence the job opportunities. _________________ Dave Martin
ITIL v3 Expert
Ph.D (C), Information Technology |
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DaveInSeoul Newbie


Joined: Feb 25, 2011 Posts: 14 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: |
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BTW - I stand corrected on my earlier OGC - APMG post - thanks, Liz. _________________ Dave Martin
ITIL v3 Expert
Ph.D (C), Information Technology |
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BorisBear Senior Itiler

Joined: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Sunderland
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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UKVIKING wrote: | Dave in Seoul
There is a world of difference between 5000 people extremely knowledgeable about ITIL B.P. and 5000 people who are ITIL expert
The first group would know what they are talking about and have the experience to show for it as well
The second group would have taken the time to get all the exam certification for ITIL v3 leading to the ITIL Expert certification designation
The ITIL v3 certification of ITIL Expert does not mean the person is knowledgeable and experienced in ITIL B.P, it just means they took the exams.
Some one can spend several months and £$$$$ for all of the courses and the certification yet have no clue about how to implement Service Management using ITIL B.P.
Some people of course can be in both groups and neither groups |
I take it you still haven't qualified in V3? We should run a sweepstake as to how long it will take you to crack and go for the qualification.
Only a couple of months left for the bridge. |
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TomOzITIL_2 Senior Itiler

Joined: May 14, 2009 Posts: 128
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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But it is not that big a deal, so why not do it? I acknowledge that it is absolutely not a test of expertise.
To be honest, for the V2 Managers like Viking, the V2-3 Mgrs bridge is a quick, relatively cheap and somewhat cheerful way to get the extra badge.
For me, I learned how to pass an exam, but also realised how much experience I still need to gain in the areas of SPM and CSI. So it was time and (the company's) money well spent. I learned alot more by doing ISO20k consulting certs too.
Cisco or Microsoft certified techos will always try to upgrade as technology changes. Sure ITSM people are "different" but like buying a new business suit every 12 months, throwing out that 1994 Simpsons necktie - sometimes you just suck it up, upgrade your certs and see this as a minimum ticket to the dance.
Experience, referees and intelligence should always win out. |
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