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achiever01
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Incidents - Parent/Child relationship Reply with quote

As per the ITIL v3, if the parent incident is closed then should the child incident get closed by itself?

Kindly provide your comments?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the service confirmed as restored to the child incident? Your only criterion for closing an incident is effective restoration of service. It really doesn't matter whether you think ITIL 3 or ITIL 1a or anything else; the concept applies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diarmid wrote:
Is the service confirmed as restored to the child incident? Your only criterion for closing an incident is effective restoration of service. It really doesn't matter whether you think ITIL 3 or ITIL 1a or anything else; the concept applies.


Hi Diarmid,

Thanks for replying. I did not understand what you mean by:

"Is the service confirmed as restored to the child incident?"

I see that the parent incident get closed and the child incident gets closed as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay. I do not like universal statements.

When you restore the service related to the parent incident, you cannot always assume that child reports are exactly the same and therefore also restored.

The child incident is created because it is believed to be another instance of loss of service due to the same incident.

However, this could turn out to be untrue in some circumstances. In this case the user who reported the "child" incident will still be without service.

Even if it is the same incident, there can be circumstances in which the restoration of service does not work for all users, perhaps because they have different local configurations that fail to reconnect properly or because they do not properly understand how to restart using the service.

It is probably a matter of confidence. In many cases you will be pretty certain that the fix will work universally and therefore you can close all child records at the same time, globally inform the user population that service is restored and take the small risk that someone might still have a problem.

There will be times when you cannot legitimately have this confidence and you will want to confirm cases individually.

Therefore it is not wise to make the universal statement. It is far better to treat each case individually even if 99% will meet the criteria. After all it is only a judgement call should not take long to make.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Incidents - Parent/Child relationship Reply with quote

achiever01,

Its also important to know how do you do the parent-child relationshiop? There are a lot of examples where the ticket of the first caller becomes parent ticket and the rest of the users become children. The parent-child relationship has to be CI based and not user based. If you consider that the all the child tickets are of the same CI as the parent ticket with the same issue, then you can jolly well go ahead and resolve the rest. However, look at a scenario where a server X crashes. The server hosts applications A, B and C. While the parent ticket will have a CI as X, the child tickets might have different CIs. Once, you are sure that the rebooting/patching/hotfixing of the server X has brought up the server and as well as the applications A,B and C, you can close the ticket.

However, the answer is the child tickets can't be closed automatically once the parent ticket is closed. The helpdesk should go back to all 'child' users to confirm about the applications A,B and C.

Lastly, ITIL doesn't say anything about it. Its descriptive and not prescriptive. Did I sound like UKVIKING or Diarmid ? I am a big fan of you guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no generic answer to this and certainly nothing prescribed by ITIL. If you want to close your child incidents when you resolve the parent then go for it if it suits your organisation. If you prefer to be customer friendly and check with the orginators of the child incidents then thats also cool.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks so much Diarmid, viv121,BorisBear for your detailed explanations.

I wanted to check what ITIL says about the said scenario.

I understand now that it is a judgement call and i guess for my organisation they will not prefer the child incidents to get closed.

Thanks again for the help.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be a judgemental call, or it may not be. Your Incident Management process can specify specific conditions under which a child ticket is created, hence, depending on these conditions you may (or may not) automatically close child ticket when parent ticket is resolved.

How likely it is to have conditions for creating and resolving child tickets satisfied, that I don't know.

Personally I would avoid closing child tickets before confirming that the issue has been addressed, regardless whether parent has been resolved or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whenever a child ticket is opened, some basic informaiton must be obtained such as user, time if incident, basis error message.
subsequent to the parent closure, to close the loop of good service management and user / customer expectation management, the user who logged the child tickets should be contacted for confirmation of incident closure. this will increase user satisfaction, and will also identofy any incidents that may have had the same symptoms as the parent, but are actually different incidents
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