Outage duration calculation

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Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:12 am

Dear All,

I have doubt about the calculation of outage duration. Would like to make my question more understandable with the help of below exmaple.

Lets say at 9:00 AM users have reported that Application A is unavailable . At 10:00 AM support team has confirmed that the issue has been resolved.However usres have only confirmed at 12:00 noon.

My question is , what shall we consider as an outage duration.

a) 1 hr.

b)2 hrs


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Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:38 pm

It depends

what does the monitoring tool say
what does the ticket system say

you have different sets of time data here

1 - ticket life - the difference from open time to close time for the ticket as the close time is based on the IM process as when the ticket is resolved / closed
2 - service resolution time - this can be from the monitoring tool or from when the customer said the app was down to when the support team said it was up or when the customer said it was up
3 - service up/down time - monitoring tool or system log from machine providing the service

It all just depends on which values are better, best or part of the SLA / OLA parameters

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Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:45 pm

smehdi wrote:Lets say at 9:00 AM users have reported that Application A is unavailable . At 10:00 AM support team has confirmed that the issue has been resolved.However usres have only confirmed at 12:00 noon.

My question is , what shall we consider as an outage duration.

a) 1 hr.

b)2 hrs
3 hours according to my arithmetic. It is not back again until a user can use it. So if, for a couple of hours, you forget to tell the users it is fixed, then it is still out until you do and they verify it.

But I would not make the calculation on the basis of reports. I would look at the logs and see when it stopped logging for the start time and I would look at the time of the next successful login as the time it became available again. It is a good thing to keep availability separate from incident management.

As John said, it depends on what the figure is for. For example it could have crashed at 05.00, but it is not required until 09.00. From a service availability point of view the time before 9 may not count, but it might be useful to know that it can be down for four hours without any monitoring (manual or automatic) picking it up.
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Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:59 pm

Dear Diarmid & Unviking ,

Thanks a lot for clarifying the doubt . You are right , if the outage duration falls outside the agreed service hours , shall not be added to the outage duration.

Once again thanks a lot.
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I took it as unviking as not viking

like unvictorious

or do and undo

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but that would be brief
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[Thanks a lot for clarifying the doubt . You are right , if the outage duration falls outside the agreed service hours , shall not be added to the outage duration.]

I guess UNViking BRIEFly didn't said that if outage duration falls outside the agreed service hours, it shall not be considered as outage. All he mentioned is IT DEPENDS on what you want to show. Do you want to show it to have your customer use it against you? I guess no. Then try some LDLAS. Show them that though there was an outage, the components A, B, C, D constituting the service were available 99.95% of times. LDLAS best works when the data is broken down in bite chunks. Say that 6/7th of the application was usable when the customer cried outage. So, when there was an outage, the service was 85% available. Show them that at this rate the customer can expect a response rate between 85% to 99.995%. IT Depends how good its sold.
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Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:13 am

to add to Viv's

1 - I am UKViking - as living in the UK and I am half norse.

I have a spear and magic helmet

My song is the Immigrant Song done by L Z rendered by Joel Veitch - google Immigrant song and cats.. you will understand

LDLaS - means Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics

And as said, the ticket closure time is going to be different than the down time... in most cases
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Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:25 am

Hi VIV121 ,

What I have said below is from the perspective of Service availability.
[Thanks a lot for clarifying the doubt . You are right , if the outage duration falls outside the agreed service hours , shall not be added to the outage duration.]

If the agreed business hours is 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM in a day and the service was unavailable from 6:00 PM and became available before their login time . As per my understanding the outage duration is 00:00:00.

Please note Incident management process has to perfrom its job irrespective of the outage happening within agreed service hours or not.
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